Forum Sales- PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

[HammockForum]

Anyone wishing to sell, either as users or registered traders must familiarise themselves with these rules. By posting a sales thread of any sort on any part of this site you are stating that you have read, understand and agree to these rules. These rules are for the protection of members.



Forum Selling:

As a registered member of this forum you are invited to use the Sales Area of the forum to sell on second hand or spare gear that you no longer need. Trade selling, selling for profit or retailing in this or any other part of the forum other than by Registered Traders in the Trade Sellers section is not allowed. If anyone disagrees with these rules or would like to discuss them please do not hesitate to contact the forum staff. The rules are designed with the interests of the forum and it's members in mind. Disregarding these rules will result in your account being suspended and may lead to a permanent ban, this applies to buyers as well as sellers. These rules over-ride any conflicting rules found elsewhere on the forum.


Rules for registered users sales are as follows:

1. All products must be clearly advertised, with set prices, in the Trading Area.
2. Please furnish your sales post with good quality photos that provide a good illustration of the product and its condition.
3. All discussions relating to a sale must be done on the open forum in the sales thread and viewable by everyone.
4. The buyer must state on the sales thread that they are agreeing to buy and the seller must confirm the sale, with the price of the sale in the sales thread.
5. The delivery address, payment method and any secure information my be discussed via the private messaging system, everything else must be discussed openly.
6. When the buyer has paid, the seller must state that they have received the payment, and the amount of the transaction, on the sales thread.
7. When the seller receives their item, they must state so on the sales thread. They can also leave feedback on the same post.
8. No sales are to take place via private message or through any other channel than on the open forum.
9. If there is a problem with a trade, seller or buyer, the first port of call would be the forum admin or moderation team.
10. The forum owner may request proof of payments, proof of delivery or any other information that is required to settle a dispute. This is to protect both seller and buyer and the reputation of the forum.
11. All the rules above also apply in the Wanted section.
12. With relation to trading only, the forum owner reserves the right to access, view and if necessary share private messages with the relevant authorities.

Traders:

If you retail hammocks, tarps, related accessories for insulation, suspension or anything else, or if you make your own hammocks, tarps related accessories for insulation, suspension or anything else, for profit then you are considered a trader. If you wish to trade on this site then you must first contact the site owner who will discuss details and terms of becoming a site trader. If you post items for trade or retail on this site without permission then your account may be blocked and you this may also lead to a permanent ban. If you are unsure whether or not to consider yourself a trader please discuss this with the site owner. If you are selling more than one of something or if you are selling something which is new, or if you are selling for profit then you are probably fall within the trader category.

Rules for traders are as follows:

1. All products must be clearly advertised, with set prices, in the traders section.
2. All discussions relating to a sale must be done on the open forum in the sales thread.
3. The buyer must state on the sales thread that they are agreeing to buy and the seller must confirm the sale, with the price of the sale in the sales thread.
4. To save clogging up sales posts, the details of custom/bespoke items may be discussed between the seller and buyer via the site's private message system.
5. The delivery address, payment method and any secure information my be discussed via the private messaging system, everything else must be discussed openly.
6. When the buyer has paid, the trader must state that they have received the payment, and the amount of the transaction, on the sales thread.
7. When the seller receives their item, they must state so on the sales thread. They can also leave feedback on the same post.
8. No sales whether trade or otherwise are to take place via private message or through any other channel than on the open forum.
9. If there is a problem with a trade, seller or buyer, the first port of call would be the forum admin or moderation team.
10. The forum owner may request proof of payments, proof of delivery or any other information that is required to settle a dispute. This is to protect both seller and buyer and the reputation of the forum.
11. With relation to trading only, the forum owner reserves the right to access, view and if necessary share private messages with the relevant authorities.

While the site owner, parent company and staff will do anything they can to sort out any issues relating to trades, they take no responsibility for any loss, expense incurred or any criminal activity you may encounter in trading within this site. The above will fully co-operate with the authorities in dealing with any theft or fraudulent activity and will not hesitate to ban and report members using this site for such activity.


Thank you for taking the time to read the above, please continue to enjoy our community.

Following a couple of discussions with members and in order to allow people to complete transactions and sales which are already in progress the above rules will come into play on the 28th March 2016. Please feel free to complete any sales/purchases you already have in progress as you began them. Please try and keep any new sales transactions within the scope of the new rules. Thanks.

[Scotty Von Porkchop]

I'm not sure how this will work for me as many of my items are custom one offs made for the person. With hammocking being small and very niche in the UK I suspect that many others will also struggle with these rules

Am I to have a page open for these long banal threads on choosing which FP down or fabric ? I would seem more likely that this would be just moved off site and onto texts, phone or email.

[Kieren]

I'm not sure how this will work for me as many of my items are custom one offs made for the person. With hammocking being small and very niche in the UK I suspect that many others will also struggle with these rules

Am I to have a page open for these long banal threads on choosing which FP down or fabric ? I would seem more likely that this would be just moved off site and onto texts, phone or email.

The rules have been put together as a starting point with a view to discussing them and adjusting them where needed. The primary concern with sales on the forum is fraud, which I'm sure in your case isn't ever going to be an issue. Then there is safety, which is an area I'm looking into at the minute. I'm sure there is a way to make discussions about custom products easier while following the rules at the same time, and yes, I agree that your sales posts would not be the place to have a long, multi-post discussion sorting out the finer details with a customer.

How do you usually discuss custom orders, Scotty?

[Scotty Von Porkchop]

My usual custom orders usually follow a general guiding the customers around the subject of getting a simple setup that suits their needs, cost etc and they can be very long but nothing in there that needs to be hidden particularly but at the same time somewhat private (a large customer needing stronger gear etc)

A better option could be a semi private PM network where if anyone is feeling ripped off or there's suspicious trading it's open enough that moderators or other traders can open them up and check there's nothing dodgy going on.

Maybe use this semi PM for Paypal payments only and if anyone's wanting cash etc only use a fully visible exchange

[Kieren]

Let me have a little think about it and see if I can come up with anything.

[Kieren]

Scotty Von Porkchop Read rule 4 in the traders rules and let me know if that works for you.

[Scotty Von Porkchop]

I think that's a good compromise Kieren. I've no issues with the ammendments. Feel free to flag me down if I step on any toes or anything like that.

[Kieren]

Cool. It seems fairly sensible, I'll check your inbox capacity and make sure it's large. The people you're dealing with may need reminding to empty theirs if you're having long discussions.
Any problems let me know.
Nobody's stepping on any toes, we've just got to get some sort of order of things as we go into the new season.
Cheers Scotty.